I hope no one was under that drop (the video on the left) by an MD-87 on the Boxcar Fire near Maupin, Oregon.
In case the video on the left does not work, try it a this link. But below is a screen grab:
I hope no one was under that drop (the video on the left) by an MD-87 on the Boxcar Fire near Maupin, Oregon.
In case the video on the left does not work, try it a this link. But below is a screen grab:
Tom Brown found five Erickson Aero Tanker MD-87’s at Madras, Oregon on May 5 and was able to grab this photo of all of them.
Thanks Tom!
In June, 2016 I also saw five of Erickson’s MD-87’s at Madras. They were parked in single file and my 24mm lens was not wide enough to get them all. The one missing in the photo below also had “Spanair” on the side.
Erickson bought at least seven MD-87’s. They began flying two of them as air tankers in 2014.
An MD-87 and an RJ85 were at Rapid City for the Legion Lake Fire in the Black Hills
Above: Air Tanker 163, an RJ85, at Rapid City December 12, 2017.
(Originally published at 12:15 p.m. MST December 13, 2017)
When the Legion Lake Fire broke out in Custer State Park in the Black Hills of South Dakota December 11 it grew quickly in strong winds. The Incident Commander didn’t hesitate to order additional resources, including two large air tankers. Tankers 101, an MD-87, and 163, an RJ85, responded from Southern California, arriving late in the afternoon. They were not used that day since the lead plane did not arrive until much later. The tankers also were not used the following day. But the fire blew up the night of the 12th, expanding from 4,000 acres to over 40, 000 acres. As this is written around noon on December 13, the Incident Management Team said they will be used if needed.
On December 12 we visited the Rapid City Air Tanker base while the tankers were parked there. We talked with MD-87 pilot Brent Connor who told us Erickson Aero Tanker expects to have their fifth MD-87 in service by the 2018 fire season. Tanker 101 was the first they built; the others are 102, 103, 105, and 107.
Articles on Wildfire Today about the Legion Lake Fire are tagged “Legion Lake Fire”.
Each of the recently developed jet-powered air tankers have unique retardant delivery systems, and the MD-87 is no exception. As you can see in the photo gallery (click on the photos to see larger versions) it has two imposing tubes (for lack of a better term) in addition to a tank under the cabin floor and a pod under the plane’s belly. Those three reservoirs hold 3,000, 1,000, and 700 gallons, respectively, for a total of 4,700 gallons.
To mitigate the issue of retardant dispersing over the wing, which introduced the possibility of it being ingested into the engines, they had an external tank, or pod, fabricated and installed below the retardant tank doors, lowering the release point by 46 inches.
Mr. Connor said that at this time they are limited to dropping 3,100 gallons, and they never have to download due to density altitude. After modifications are made to the system, they expect to be cleared to carry 4,000 gallons. He said that to get to the present stage of development the FAA required 80 hours of flight testing.
Thanks Coulson Aviation, a small town BC business success with innovations in aviation firefighting. Impressive story. #PortAlberni #BCLib18 pic.twitter.com/Pldr1xNxLG
— Dianne Watts (@DianneWatts4BC) October 29, 2017
Isaac notified us about these videos and photos. Thanks Isaac!
Copter 6 on the ground refueling while the Air Tankers make their drops. #VistaFire @VCFD @OjaiPoliceDept @VCSOVentura pic.twitter.com/xjkJdplb4X
— VenturaCoAirUnit (@VCAirUnit) October 25, 2017
Photos of the Day: @theCaGuard Black Hawk conducting water drops on the Northern California wildfires: https://t.co/Bp3DZpcqkb pic.twitter.com/ZwWy0eaqUz
— National Guard (@USNationalGuard) October 16, 2017
The static display at Aerial Firefighting Europe 2017 looks very impressive with CL-415s from France, Italy, Spain and Croatia. #AFFEUR17 pic.twitter.com/UdqOJ9Wp2n
— Tangent Link Ltd (@tangentlink) October 15, 2017
All sorts of air resources are being used to fight Canyon2 fire East of toll rd 241 Tues morning. @latimes @latimesphotos pic.twitter.com/qPFHfCBRZu
— Irfan Khan (@latfoto) October 10, 2017
VLAT (Very Large Air Tanker) making a retardant drop on the Canyon Fire! https://t.co/eVmdq4O1lz pic.twitter.com/1mGUgNhn7S
— OC Firefighters (@ocfirefighters) September 29, 2017
Step into my office… pic.twitter.com/8pf2Z78I0U
— Michael Piper (@mic654) October 12, 2017
Air support is here for fires in the North Bay — a welcome sight to so many affected by this devastation: https://t.co/uRoJ7IRxrF. pic.twitter.com/xz7TCTFLhR
— ABC7 News (@abc7newsbayarea) October 9, 2017
Joel sent us this photo of an RJ85 dropping on the Edwards Fire near Oakland, California. Thanks Joel.
As a bonus, here’s a video of an MD-87 dropping on the same fire, shot by Darryl Poe.
Thanks for the support @CAL_FIRE video credit: Darryl Poe. #oakland #fire pic.twitter.com/32x2XnoSRH
— Oakland Firefighters (@OaklandFireLive) September 27, 2017
The fire burned about 22 acres near Edwards Avenue and Mountain Blvd, six miles southeast of Oakland.
(Originally published at 11 a.m. MDT September 25, 2017)
Jeff Wilson sent us the photo above taken September 19 of an MD-87 dropping on the Tenderfoot 2 Fire east of Dillon, Colorado. Thanks Jeff!
The fire was reported above Dillon Reservoir at 5 p.m. MDT September 18 and burned 21 acres on a steep slope before firefighters contained it, aided by two large air tankers and two helicopters dropping water and retardant September 18 and 19.
Resources working on the fire included Lake Dillon Fire-Rescue crews, one U.S. Forest Service engine crew, a 20-person hand crew from Rifle, and a 22-person initial-attack hand crew from the Upper Colorado River Fire Management Unit.
The fire was caused by sparks from a blown insulator cap on a power line that subsequently ignited nearby grasses.
Jeff Wilson runs a professional photography studio out of Dillon, Colorado.
@wildfiretoday pic.twitter.com/CEskqYlIKG
— Terry Nelsen (@tnelsen216) September 17, 2017
In these videos by Terry Nelsen, Erickson’s MD-87 air tankers are seen dropping water on the Rankin Fire in Wind Cave National Park in South Dakota September 13, 2017. Both Tankers 101 and 103 were used on the fires in the area.
One of the firefighters told us that after the Rankin Fire had been burning for a while an MD-87 en route to drop water on the fire in the park was diverted to a new fire just starting, the Beaver Fire between Wind Cave NP and Pringle, South Dakota
Wind Cave NP has a policy that the Park Superintendent can on a case by case basis decide if retardant will be banned on individual wildfires. In the case of the Rankin Fire, he decided he did not want retardant used, so the air tankers were using plain water.
Fire engines are allowed to drive off the road to suppress fires in Wind Cave National Park but in some cases retardant is banned.
@SiouxFallsFire @YFDafrick Rankin Fire Wind Cave N.P. SD pic.twitter.com/UMnKr9u03w
— Terry Nelsen (@tnelsen216) September 14, 2017
@SiouxFallsFire @YFDafrick Rankin Fire Wind Cave N.P. pic.twitter.com/URU7pX4lOv
— Terry Nelsen (@tnelsen216) September 13, 2017
It is specified in their Supplemental Type Certificate.
There have been several questions and comments from our readers about why Erickson Aero Tanker’s MD-87 airtankers drop retardant with the landing gear down. The most commonly accepted explanation was to reduce airspeed, especially when making a downhill drop. This was why some older airtankers, like the DC-7 for example, kept the gear down.
But Erickson’s MD-87s are actually required by the FAA to lower the gear while dropping — in fact it is specified in their Supplemental Type Certificate (STC) issued by the FAA. The reason is the prevention of stalling.
Earlier this year Erickson petitioned the FAA for an exemption from this requirement, and requested a “Flaps 40 / Landing Gear Up” configuration while dropping. But on June 28, 2017 that exemption was denied.
Below is an excerpt from the decision which was signed by Michael Kaszycki of the FAA’s Aircraft Certification Service:
I deny Erickson Aero Tanker, LLC’s, petition for an exemption from 14 CFR 25.201(b)(1), that would have allowed aerial firefighting retardant drops in a configuration that does not fully meet the stall characteristics requirements on the modified DC-9-87 (MD-87) airplanes.